Vancouver City Council. Today is Monday, April 6th, 2026. This afternoon we had two workshops the Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Strategy Workshop and the Development Activity Update. We then went into executive session to discuss potential litigation. We are now in our regular council meeting. And would you please stand and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance? I pledge allegiance to the flag. >> Of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you, Mr. Muller. Please call the roll. >> Council member Harless Perez present. Fox Paulson here. Stober here. Hansen. Present. Mayor McEnerny Ogle present. >> Move to excuse Council members. Harless and Fox. >> Second motion and a second to excuse our two colleagues for personal reasons. Those in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? Motion passes. Thank you very much. Councilors. You have in front of you the minutes of February 17th. >> Motion to edit February 17th, with Council Member Hanson not present at that time. >> And you're excusing Councilor Hanson. >> And excusing Councilor Hanson from that meeting. You're excused. Councilor. >> Second. >> Motion and a second to amend. February 17th. Amendment. Any other discussion? Motion. Vote on the amendment. Those in favor of the amendment say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes. Motion to approve the minutes of February 17th, as amended. >> Please move to approve Stuebe second. >> Paulsen. Thank you very much. All those in favor, say aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? Motion passes. Thank you. Minutes of February 23rd. >> Move to approve Perez. >> Seconded by Paulsen. Paulsen. Any corrections or changes? Those in favor, say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion passes. Minutes of March 2nd. >> Move to approve. >> Paulson. Seconded by Hansen. Hansen. Corrections or changes. All in favor, say aye. >> Aye. >> Abstain. >> One. Abstention. Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you. Yes, councilor. >> Sorry also to abstain on that one. >> Two abstentions on March 2nd. Perez stober. Thank you. Motion still passes. Minutes for March 16th. Any changes? I'll entertain a motion. >> To approve. >> Perez. Seconded by. Hansen. All those in favor, say aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? >> Abstain. >> One abstention from sober. >> Abstain. >> One abstention from Paulsen. Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you. March 23rd. >> Move to approve Paulson. >> Seconded by. Perez Perez. No changes. All those in favor, say aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? One abstention. >> Two. >> Two. Abstentions. Hansen. Stober. Motion passes. Thank you. All right. Got through that. We have proclamations here. Let's start off with Community Development Week. And we have. Oh, hello. The week of April 6th through 10th, 2026 is the 40th annual National Community Development Week. To celebrate the success of the Community Development Block Grant program and the Home Investment Partnerships Program. And the Cdbg program provides funding for services, neighborhood improvements, and economic opportunities for people with low to moderate incomes, and has been doing so since 2002. The Home Investment Partnership Program provides funding to create decent, safe, affordable housing in Vancouver. Home funds have supported 383 rental units, 40 home owners and over 800 renters with rental assistance, and the City of Vancouver recognizes that the Cdbg and home funding is a partnership of federal, state and local government, nonprofit and community efforts and relies heavily on the dedication and goodwill of combined efforts. Now, therefore, I Anne McEnerny Ogle, Mayor of Vancouver, Washington, do hereby proclaim April 6th, 2026, through April 10th as Community Development Week in the City of Vancouver and urge Congress and the Presidential administration to recognize the outstanding work being done locally and nationally with Cdbg and home by supporting increased funding for these programs in the fiscal year of 2027. We would love to have more money from them, wouldn't we? Here we go. >> All right. Thank you, mayor and City Council. I'm Kimberly Curley and this is Tasha Slater. And we are a City of Vancouver staff on the housing team. Thank you for taking this moment to recognize Cdbg and home programs. National Community Development Week is an important opportunity to highlight the real positive impact of the Cdbg and home programs. These programs make a meaningful difference in our community every day by recognizing the 40th annual Community Development Week, we also help raise awareness with Congress about just how essential these programs are and why continued increased funding is necessary to support the people and neighborhoods that rely on them, furthering our commitment to inclusivity and compassion for all. Since 2003, the City of Vancouver has received a direct allocation of Cdbg, Cdbg funds from HUD. In 2009, the city began receiving an annual allocation of home funding, and in 2021, the City of Vancouver received just over $2.4 million in home ARP funding through the American Rescue Plan. These funds continue to provide critical support to some of our most vulnerable households. >> The housing team would also like to extend our appreciation to our partners in 2024. During the program year, we partnered with 19 agencies using these federal funds. 17 low to moderate income households became homeowners or had their home rehabilitated. 194 Microbusiness Microenterprise businesses were assisted, 182 youth engaged in programing, 3535 people received homeless services and 39 households received rental assistance. We're looking ahead at the 2026 Cdbg and Home Awards and will review them with you on May 4th. Thank you again for taking the time to celebrate with us, and this week we will have social media posts, so we hope that everyone will look and engage on the city's social media to celebrate Community Development Week with us. >> Thank you so very much. Okay, let's go to Arbor Day with Jess Durfee and Charles Ray. The city of Vancouver has been named a Tree City, USA for the 37th consecutive year in recognition of its excellence and commitment to ongoing community forestry programs for planting and management of trees to maximize their benefits. And Washington The Evergreen State has celebrated Arbor Day since 1917 and Vancouver's Arbor Month for 2026 includes Arbor Day celebration and planting at Lincoln Elementary School and the Gordon and Sylvia McWilliams Evergreen Award recipients. On April 23rd, a month long pop up Arboretum's at our Mayada Park in Homestead Park and trees enhance our lives by supporting clean water, improving air quality, reducing runoff, cooling temperatures and preventing erosion of topsoil, and providing wildlife, food and habitat. Whereas, trees help build community and beautify neighborhoods and wherever they are planted, trees are a source of joy and renewal. Now therefore, I Anne McEnerny Ogle, Mayor of Vancouver, Washington, do hereby proclaim the month of April as Arbor Month and recognize April 8th, 2026, Arbor Day in the City of Vancouver and encourage all community members and businesses to join Vancouver's Urban Forestry Commission in our continuous efforts to properly plant, care for and preserve trees for the good of current and future generations. Jess. >> So, on behalf of the Urban Forestry Commission, I would like to thank you for your continued support to make Vancouver a more livable, thriving community by investing in our community trees across our city. >> Sorry, would you put your microphone on and then yeah, just go ahead and restate that. >> I will do that. On behalf of the Urban Forestry Commission. That was my rehearsal. So now I'm totally into this. On behalf of the Urban Forestry Commission, I would like to thank you for your continued support to make Vancouver a more livable, thriving community by investing in our community. Trees across our city, trees are helping to reduce stormwater runoff, decrease erosion, improve air quality, shade our neighborhoods, enhance our overall quality of life, and contribute to the beauty of our wonderful city through trees and working with the community. The Urban Forestry Commission helps achieve all of the city's core values. The simple truth is, trees are not just a nicety, they are a necessity. This year also marks 37 years for Vancouver. As a Tree City, USA. I personally, along with my fellow commissioners, am honored to be given an opportunity to serve our community as an Urban Forestry Commissioner, we are always looking for other tree lovers who might want to volunteer. So for more information, community members can contact us at 360487 tree or Trees at City of vancouver.us or visit us online. Thank you so much. Thank you. >> Good evening, Mayor and council members. Charles Ray Urban Forester with Public Works and staff member for the Urban Forestry Commission. We also were recognized with the growth award for our climate initiatives, as well as our training programs for both urban forestry commissioners and staff. And then also, we're wrapping up our annual report. And we we planted over 2000 trees with community support and participation, and then also community members volunteered over 4000 hours towards our work projects. But then also the Urban Forestry Commission also volunteered over 400 hours. And if they only showed up for meetings, they would be about 130 hours each. So great, great involved community members on the Urban Forestry Commission. So thank you, Charles. >> We have a little chart out on the hallway here, but we've used up all the slots. So do we need to get a new chart for this 37th little award? >> So so we have a new plaque that's over at Marine Park Engineering. Now that's starting to fill up. Okay, so we'll be bringing that to Arbor Day. >> I don't know how you got four, eight, seven tree for a phone number, but congratulations. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. We have some special friends this evening. Lonnie and Cora Chandler are in the house tonight, whereas today's northwest coffee culture did not yet exist in 1990. And Cora and Lonnie Chandler recognized the potential of downtown Vancouver to become a thriving engine of community. And whereas in 1991, Cora and Lonnie founded, operated, and opened downtown's first espresso bar, helping pave the way for revitalization. And whereas, through its consistent quality, warm hospitality and familiar presence, Java House has remained a beloved and enduring fixture of downtown Vancouver, reflecting the spirit of local enterprise and community pride. And whereas, after many years of dedicated service, the Chandlers have announced their retirement and the sale of this cherished establishment, marking the end of an era in Vancouver's downtown history. Now therefore, I Anne McEnerny Ogle, Mayor of Vancouver, Washington, do hereby recognize and celebrate the legacy of Java House in the City of Vancouver and extend our deepest gratitude for its owners for their years of service, commitment and community building. And we wish them happiness and fulfillment in their well earned retirement. >> Yes. I'm sure. Yep yep yep. >> Well, thank you all very much. A lot of familiar faces up here. One of the things that we most often get asked is who was your first customer? Oh, and we jokingly look around and say, well, if you walk down the street there, there's a you'll see a statue of her. Her name was Sacagawea. However, the truth is our first customer was a guy named Paul Touvier, who was the head of Social Security down here at the time, and Paul had been walking around in circles for a few minutes, afraid to go back to his office because of things that were going on there, and he walked in and says, are you guys open? And we said, yes, come on in. Let me give you a free cup of coffee. And he says, I can't pay for the first cup of coffee that you've had. I said, well, how about when you get the second cup, it'll be on us. And that's how we started the free refills. Oh, but thank you very much. And it has been a wonderful 37 years. It is truly a great community to live and work in and will continue to do so. >> Well. We have been honored to have you, Cora. Any note? >> I'm good. >> I'm good. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you so much. Yes. >> Ole Miss everybody. >> And we'll miss you. We always are amazed how you remember people and what they want to drink. So 37 years. We appreciate all of the community building that you have been doing. So don't be a stranger. Let's see you around town once. >> In a while. You will see us. >> Okay? >> Every day. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> That concludes our proclamations and brings us into community communication. I have one card this evening. Bruce Barnes would like to talk about items one through ten. >> Good evening, Mayor and Council. Thanks for the opportunity to speak. My name is Bruce Barnes. For the record, I noticed on some of these bids here that there's a there's out of town contractors, and I understand it's the lowest responsible bidder. But man, I'll tell you, our union halls are suffering. We've got over a thousand electricians out of work, and I would hope that you'd take that into consideration when you guys do your bids, and maybe you can do some project labor agreements. You know, we've had a great relationship with the. The Indian tribes, and they've really appreciated the quality of work that we've done at their casino. Always neat, complete up to date on time, no injuries, no accidents. You know, always what they want. And I would hope that the city would also want that because I know there's a lot of union members that work for your city, and our unions would love to work for the city as well. So. I would just ask that you guys consider that next time you guys do some bids. I know we've talked about it at the Labor Roundtable as well, about doing some project labor agreements with the city and the county. So I would hope that you guys would consider that. And that's all I got for now. Thank you. >> I'll close the community communication and bring it into the consent agenda. Councilors, are there any items that you would like to pull? >> Over to make comments on? Okay. >> All right. So let me read item number nine into the record. This title is an ordinance relating to management of the rights of way granting to Michelle Marchel Telecom, Inc. Lichnov and its affiliates, a corporation, a non-exclusive and revocable franchise to install, operate and maintain a telecommunications system on, in, over, upon, along and across public ways of the City of Vancouver, establishing certain rights, duties, terms and conditions with respect to the franchise and setting an effective date and conditions. Grantee in the city are sometimes collectively referred to as the parties hearing no item to be pulled. Have a motion to approve items one through ten. Second second by Stober. Comments. >> Mayor. >> Councilor. >> So I very much appreciate Mr. Barnes comments this evening, and I understand that a lot of principles of a project labor agreement find their way into our contracts, but they're they're buried into larger documents. I, for one, would very much like to see our standards brought out into a single document. That is something that's easier for us to share, to reference and can be. Can really be a standard. And we can be very clear about where we are and what are the opportunities we still have to grow as a community. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. And I'd like to thank staff for item number eight, the collective bargaining agreement with our Vancouver Police Officers Guild. I knew that there was a great deal of work involved in that. Thank you for working so well. We have a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? Motion passes. Thank you very much. That brings us into item number 11. This is the public hearing. This is an ordinance relating to the 20 2526 biennial budget and making supplemental appropriations in various funds needed to meet certain necessary expenditures to be incurred in 20 2526, which were not or could not reasonably have been foreseen at the time of the adoption of the 20 2526 budget, declaring an emergency and providing for an immediate effective date. Staff summary please. >> Thank you, Mayor and Council. >> Thank you. >> Shannon Olsen, budget manager here at the city, here with Lisa Randall. >> Lisa Randall Deputy city manager, interim CFO. Good evening. >> Good evening. >> All right. Let's jump in. So most of this is the same as what we reviewed on the workshop on March 2nd. But we will go through it again at a quick high level summary, just to give a little overview. The supplemental budget does occur during the biennium to adjust the appropriation due to an unanticipated circumstances. Any adjustments to the budget do require approval by Council to amend the current biennial budget, and this supplemental specifically does include administrative items, expenditures associated with new external revenues, as well as requests based on newly identified needs, as well as adjustments to some revenues. We did go in detail on all of these revenue adjustments last time, but just to recap, due to some decline that we've seen in permit activity and permit activity does impact all revenues generated from new development, including sales tax, as well as park and transportation impact fees. Within the supplemental, we did adjust our impact fee revenue budget to match the revenue that we have received through 2025. As mentioned last time, our cable franchise revenue has been adjusted to better align with the forecasted amounts, as we have seen a decline in the revenue with cable subscribers canceling their services to stream their services instead. Within the supplemental, we are adjusting the cable utility tax as well to match what was received in 2025, as well as due to the actual revenues not being starting to accrue until the second quarter of 2025. So we are adjusting to match to the actuals. And then also now that we have some revenues coming in, we are adjusting 2026 to better align with what we know to be true utility utility tax revenues in 2025 come in higher than forecasted. So those taxes are getting trued up for 2025 as well as more aligned with the forecast in 2026. And then we have added the 6 million in new revenue for proposition five. And then due to the passing of proposition five, the bank capacity revenue from proposition two for 2026 is recommended to be removed within this supplemental, and we'll go into the prop two bank capacity a little bit further in the presentation. Overall, within operating and capital, the recommended expenditure appropriation for the city's operating and capital funds totaled 70.1 million, which is pretty similar to prior supplemental budgets. This supplemental specifically will result in utilizing 14.2 million in city resources. And of that amount, the general fund share is a credit of 4.1 million. Of the 70.1 million. You can see the breakout here. We have 35.5 million relating to the operating side and 34.6 million to the capital budget. The General Street Fire Fund specifically make up 8.1 of the appropriation, with 27.4 million within other operating funds. And then of the 34.6 in capital, we have 26.1 related specifically to capital projects, and then 8.5 million is representing the funding transfers that support the capital projects. Excuse me. These next two slides go over the fees that are recommended to be added within the supplemental 27 in total. But as discussed in the workshop, the majority of the FTEs do have offsetting revenue support. And then, as discussed in the last council meeting, the position three classes that did require additional budget or were not represented on schedule D are shown on the appropriate attachment B as we talked about. Additionally, positions that change departments are also reflected on attachment B as appropriate and attachment B is in your council packet. And then circling back to prop two bank capacity. So this as mentioned the supplemental does remove the prop two bank capacity revenue due to the passing of proposition five that was passed in 25. The prop two bank capacity revenue was budgeted at 5.5 million to support fire capital and operational expenses, 3.6 million was specifically budgeted to. For the completion of Fire Station 8 in 2026. However, now that that revenue is recommended to be removed from the Or within the supplemental, there will be a resolution on the Council's consent agenda scheduled for next week, April 13th, requesting an. Requesting an Interfund loan from the General Fund to fire so that station eight has the funding support needed to complete the project in 2026, with the expectation of the proposition two bank capacity going into place in 2027 for the loan to start getting repaid. And with that, I'm happy to address any questions that you might have. >> Thank you. So, Sean, when you talk about the reclassification, those are for the salaries of individuals that are being promoted. And and they're in a new classification. >> Yeah. So yeah, if somebody's getting a promotion or just reclass due to a market study, if they do need additional budget, then it is included. It is shown on attachment B. Also, we have schedule D that represents all the positions at the city for nonunion. Specifically, if there's a position Reclass that occurs where that position doesn't is not already listed on schedule D, then it also gets added to attachment B for transparency. >> Great. >> Thank you so much. Other comments of staff. Yes. Councilor Stolberg. >> Thank you mayor. Thank you for the presentation. Can you go a little bit one step deeper and and walk through why we need to remove the bank capacity change. >> Yeah, please. Yeah, yeah. >> I feel like that one got punted my direction. In essence, it was to moderate the impact on property taxes when the voters approved proposition five just for in using round numbers, that would be about a 15 cent property tax increase. That's basically the equivalent of what the the dollars that are in proposition two would do, which would have resulted in about a 13, 14% property tax increase all in one year. So in the interest of not really slamming the taxpayers, we wanted to make sure that we moderated that. And so we figured out a way to be able to continue with our capital projects, but then we'll defer the imposition of the banked capacity until 2027. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> Councilor Perez, go ahead. >> That was my same question. Thank you, Councilmember Silva. So I just wanted to put it in layman's terms that what does that mean to the taxpayer? Right. >> Any other questions? >> If you want to further elaborate on that? >> Oh yeah. It was really to avoid hitting them with two tax increases in the same calendar year, knowing that the approval of proposition five, we asked them for a pretty steep jump just with that one ask. And with the proposition two banked capacity, it would have almost doubled it up. >> And then what does that mean for our fire department? >> We still have the banked capacity, and we do anticipate tapping into that in 2027. But the purpose of the internal loan that Shannon was outlining will let us keep moving with the capital projects. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Let's go ahead and open the public hearing. Bruce Barnes, please. >> Bruesch Barnes, for the record, thanks for the opportunity to speak on your budget. I would like to make some suggestions. I see a lot of when I go to the grocery store, I don't care if it's WinCo or Safeway or whatever. I always see seems to be for firefighters walking, grocery shopping, and I'm all for firefighters. I'm all for what they do. I'm all for first responders. But I think that there's a an easier way to do their shopping. I mean, we can all order food to our home. We can all order groceries to our home. They've got cadets that can go out and do their grocery shopping. So that would be one suggestion. With the rising cost of fuel, we saw fuel at diesel fuel in woodland Saturday at $8 a gallon, and those fire trucks get maybe three four miles a gallon. They don't get very good fuel mileage. So I'm suggesting less trips, you know, down to the waterfront or just out for cruising around and have your cadets go shopping and not waste that fuel in the fire truck, because that would definitely impact your budget. I guarantee you in a year, you know what I mean? Less driving, less, less money out. And the other thing is, hopefully you put some money in for garbage cleanup because the Columbian did a really good article about Vancouver and the highways being trashed, and we need to clean that up. So I hope there's money in that budget to clean that up. And I would suggest getting the inmates out there. They can also work off their their their sentencing, which would lessen the burden to the taxpayers. Because would you say it's like $170 a day to have them incarcerated? Let's get those people out in the sunshine cleaning up our freeways and, you know, make this place clean and pristine again. So thank you. >> Any other comments? No. Online. Thank you. Close the public hearing. Bring it back. Councilors. Any other discussion? I'll entertain a motion. >> Move to approve. >> Paulson. Seconded by Perez. Perez. Roll call. Vote, please. >> Council member Perez. I Paulson I Stover I. Hansen, mayor. McEnerny Ogle. >> I motion passes unanimously. Thank you very much. That concludes the business portion of it. Going into communications from the Council. Councilor Perez. >> Pass for tonight. Thank you. >> Councilor Paulson pass. >> Councilor Stoeber. >> I'm going to pass. >> Councilor Hansen. >> Mayor, I have one thing to bring up from last month, and it was the foundation. They have a restorative justice panel series, and this one was the other side of crime. And Lester Griffith Griffin. Lester Griffin was the panel moderator for this. And it was one of the most impactful things I've seen in quite some time. There were five speakers, all parents, and all of them had lost a child to guns in the community. Two of the five panelists had lost two children. So if you do get the chance to see one of these panels, I highly recommend it. It is definitely well attended and there's a reason for that. That's all I have. Mayor. >> Thank you very much. Yes, councilor. >> If I could back up and thank you, Councilor Hansen. Tangentially related. Next Tuesday, a week from tomorrow, the ending Community homelessness organization Echo, which is an organization run by the county to coordinate jurisdictions around the issue of homelessness, will be doing a law enforcement panel, and members of the public are welcome to come. It's 930 to 1130 at the Public Service Center, the county's headquarters, and it will also be online. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. And at 1:00 Saturday, we'll have a new Poet laureate at magenta. So we will hear lots of wonderful poems and find out who our new Poet Laureate is. They did moving poems all on all the C-tran busses. So we're excited about that. City Manager anything? >> Yeah. I'd like to invite Laura Shepherd to come up and talk with the Council a little bit about the new accessibility guidelines for digital communication. >> Mayor, councilor. >> Mayor, council. Good evening. I'm Laura Shepherd. I'm the director of communications and actually I'm here tonight to talk with you a little bit about accessibility at City Council. I was originally scheduled to give you a briefing next next week at dinner, but I got the week wrong and showed up a week early, so thought we would take advantage of having a little time today. So what I'm going to try to do is model a little bit of what we're expected to do after the deadline. So what I'm going to do right now, I'm going to get up and I'm going to be handing a stack of papers to our city attorney and ask her to pass them down. >> And also if she would. >> And while that is happening, I'll give you a little bit of background. And actually, I'm scheduled to come here on April 27th to talk with you more about the entire project. So I'll try to stay focused on just this, this component of it. But so but for those of you that don't know, the last year the Department of Justice published a new rule on digital accessibility that all, all jurisdictions must follow cities, counties, ports, school districts, which basically says that all of our digital content must be accessible to all people. So we've been working for the last year on a variety of fronts, again, that I will share with you on the 27th so you can know the full scope of what we have been doing. But what I was going to talk with you tonight was about what we what we need to do at City Council to help make our meetings more accessible. And what it comes down to is being more descriptive about our our actions. So some of the things that we have done to help comply with that, we have purchased a new system that we're that we have been training staff on and that our CVTV folks have been trying out. It's called audible sight. And one of the things that this new software does, it will help provide audio captions for our meetings. Audio captioning only goes part of the way. What it's going to take is also a behavior change on all of our parts who present at council. And then those of you who who run the meeting. So what you're seeing in front of you in that handout is some standards that we wrote. Sorry about that, that we wrote to help you when you preside at meetings. And we also wrote standards to help staff understand what they need to do when they present at meetings, so you'll know what to expect when they present. And then we also created guidelines for to help staff understand how they create their materials. So what we're trying to do is make your meetings as accessible as possible on as many fronts from when the public sees the information online to when we're here in front of you presenting the information. And then when we're interacting about that information. So so I can go through this. I sent it in my Friday message as a preread or I can answer questions about it. If you, if you had an opportunity to do to take a look at it on Friday, I know you have a lot going on. So if you'd like, I can go ahead and just take you through it if you'd like. >> Councilors, do you want her to go through it or did you do your homework and ready for questions? I read mine, read read. Yep, yep. Okay. We read it. >> Oh, excellent. >> You have questions of Laura. So we're starting to see that at the bottom of different documents that are coming through. When is the full implementation expected? Laura. >> The full implementation is on April 27th. So we're coming up on the deadline very fast. And oh, actually, I'll be in front of you on the 27th. The deadline is actually the 26th of April. Okay. And when I come to see you on the 27th, I'll bring you and you'll see it in your packet too. I'll bring you a full report of all the different activities that we've been doing for the better part of a year and a half now, to make sure that we're going to meet to the best of our ability, this deadline. But I will let you know it is going to be a journey, and we won't get it right at first. Well, there will be places where we'll have to learn as we go and places where we just have to keep, keep learning. Some of the things I was noticing in tonight's meeting, and I will be talking to all the directors tomorrow to help them understand what they need to do when they are at meetings too. So I was taking note during the workshop to see some of the places that we might have a few places to shore up how we present. So for example, during the mean. So for example, I observed when we were doing the proclamation tonight, two staff members just came to the table. So in the future, what we'll need to do is whoever's presiding mayor, whether it's you or whether it's mayor pro tem, you'll need to invite people to the dais and say who we're inviting to the dais. When you come around and give a proclamation, what you'll need to do is describe that action to I'm going to I'm going to go whatever your language is that you want to use, basically letting people know that you're coming around to give the proclamation and potentially have a photo. You know, just think about the different things that we're doing in the meetings that lend itself to, to description. And that allows when we use audible site to make sure we have a full picture of it, not only in what we're presenting, but, you know, a software is only as good as what it's getting. So if we're describing our activities very well, we won't necessarily need to rely on the software. So, for example, when you have occasion to ask the city manager or the city attorney to to tell you about something during a meeting, you'll want to call the city manager by his name. You'll want to say City Manager Lon Lon on, will you please do X or we'd like an opinion from City Attorney and state your name. And then also to. When you are interacting with each other, you'll want to say each other's names. So mayor, for example, in that last in the in the item before the supplemental budget, when you called on your colleagues to speak, you said yes and then turned them. So what you'll want to do now is say yes. Councilor Hanson, you may speak or. Yes, councilor Stober, you may speak. So you just need to be a little bit more attuned to making sure that people know who is speaking. So before you speak for the first time, you'll want to introduce yourself. So, Councilor Paulson, whenever you speak, you'll want to say Councilor Erik Paulson and then then go into it. And over time, people will begin to recognize their voices. But if you're attending one of our meetings for the first time, it's still important that we that we do that every time staff will have a heavier lift than you. They will have to change how they describe visuals. When I think about the presentation that Chad and Patrick gave you today during the workshop, it was a very good presentation. I was taking notes of the things they did very well, and I was also taking notes of some of the some of the habits that we're going to need to change. And one of those habits are we're going to need to describe charts a lot, a lot better or a lot more descriptively than we do. We're going to have to let people know when we go to the next page. Or, for example, at the end of that presentation, mayor, you said, can we go back to the previous slide? What you want to try to do is say, can we go back to slide 13? So it's just it's little things like that. And eventually it's like anything. Once we do it, it will become easier and easier for us to do. But these standards that I gave you kind of help you understand what you need to do during the meetings. And I'm always happy to come and talk with you about them. And we'll update them as we see new things at the end of this handout that I gave you. And and thank you all for reading it ahead of time. You'll see some of the things that will be expecting staff to say, like when they talk about maps, when they talk about charts and those sorts of things. So. >> So, Laura, do we expect the federal government to do the same thing? >> I hope so. >> Okay. >> Yes. Go ahead. >> Councilor Laura. >> Councilor Perez. >> Thank you, mayor. Councilor Perez speaking. Is this going to be rolled over into our city's accessibility plan? >> I would I've been talking with Joy, Joy about what we're doing, and I do have a section in that. So it's one of the things I need to review. Actually, it's on my to do list, but I've been working, working to make sure that this is comprehensive and all the departments are, are involved in it. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Yes, councilor. Councilor Stober. >> Thank you. Mayor and McEnerny Ogle and this is Council Member Ty Stober. And thank you, Laura. >> We're probably taking it a little too far, but this is good that we're practicing this. So she so she said, Councilor Stose called on you, Councilor Stober. And so since you were just introduced, you don't need to necessarily say your name right away again. >> Thank you. You talk about presiding in this document. There's only two, maybe three people on this dais that preside. So it would be great if you did a guide for the rest of us. >> Yes. >> Thank you. >> I can do that. >> Okay. >> All right. So, Miss Dollar, would you be so kind as to put just a common statement at the bottom of each one of those proclamations? A couple of those little notes that Laura just talked about, inviting the individuals by name up to talk to us. And we always walk over to present the proclamation to them. So we'll want to put that down there. Also, just as a reminder, who's ever in this seat. Thank you. Laura. Anything else? >> Not for now. I'm just looking forward to seeing you all on the 27th. >> Great. Thank you so very much. City Manager. Any other item? >> That's all from me tonight, mayor. >> All right. Thank you so very much. So councilors will now be going into the portion of our meeting designated for our community forum, where individuals are just talking to us tonight. City Council policy tells us it's an opportunity for us to hear from our community members. Policy calls for this portion of the meeting to be audio recorded for the City Council assistant. In general, this portion is not televised. Therefore will take a moment. Ask CVTV to stop their video feed in compliance with the Open Public Meetings Act. We will not be taking any votes or engaging in any final action on any matter from here on out. So with that, councilors, let's go ahead and take a transition. CVTV, thank you very much. Say goodbye and we'll start with our community members in just a moment