This webinar is being recorded and summarized. >> Good morning everyone. Welcome to today's eco meeting ending County Homelessness Organization for September 8th, 2026. And we will go ahead and begin with our welcome and introductions. I'm Glen Yung. I chair echo and serve as Clark County Council District one, and we'll go ahead and start in the room. >> Good morning everybody. Fany Jones, Council for the homeless. >> Sunny Wonder Council for the homeless. >> Jamie Spinelli, City of Vancouver. >> Councilor Fuentes. >> Good morning everyone. Wil Fuentes County Council. District three. >> Councilmember Perez. >> Hello, everyone. Diana Perez, Vancouver City Council vice chair for Echo. >> Council member. Bjork. Oh. >> I'm sorry, it's Burke. I didn't recognize my name. I'm Marilyn Burke. Good morning, everyone from the City of Kansas City Council. >> And Michael Torres. >> Good morning everyone. Michael Torres, program manager at Clark County Community Services. >> And Katie Favela just is coming on. And Katie, thanks for joining. If you want to introduce yourself. >> Yep. Katie Marvella, city of Richfield. >> Great. Thank you. We'll go ahead and move on with our business, which starts off with approval of the minutes from August 11th, 2026. Is there any suggested changes or is there a motion. >> Move to approve? >> It's been moved. And is there a second? >> Second. >> Great. Moved and seconded. All those in favor, please say aye. I. >> I, I. >> And any opposed? Oh who was it that seconded. >> I did Marilyn Burke. >> Okay. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> All right. Minutes have been approved so let's move forward to updates. Yes. >> This is counselor Diana Perez. If I could ask everyone, when we speak, just to state your name and your city, for the record, just a lot of us are virtually. It's hard to tell who's talking. Thank you, for the. Thank you. >> All right. So updates and report back on action items. We will start with systems analysis update. And Michael, I believe you have an update for us on that. >> Good morning. Yes, this is Michael Torres, a program manager at Clark County Community Services, while Jordan Bogie, the policy analyst for the county, is out on paternity leave to move forward with the interlocal agreement to fund the system analysis. The Our Centralized Contracts team is currently developing the interlocal agreement. They're going to also be working with the prosecuting attorney to get that in place and have it reviewed by April 1st. Kathleen Otto and as soon as that's done, they will move it forward in a staff report so it can get routed and reviewed by everyone and signed. So that's that's one update. And second update is, well, it's not related to system analysis directly, but the interlocal agreement for a House Bill 2060 staff report is complete. It will be getting signed this week, and it will be moving forward for council authorization for the county manager to sign that House Bill 2060 interlocal by the end of this month. So everyone should be seeing that coming through. And last thing, which is related to the system analysis, the actual solicitation for the consultant, that staff report has been drafted and it's ready to go. And as soon as the interlocal agreement goes through, that staff report will be going along with it. >> Great. Thank you for that. There's a couple of hands. I don't know who was first. Marilyn Burke. Go ahead. >> Thank you. Marilyn Burke, city of Camas. I just wanted to make sure. I thought I heard you say the systems analyst update. I a would be expected April 1st. Is that what you said? >> No, I it will be routed to our our deputy county manager, April Firth and Kathleen Otto for their review. I apologize for that. >> Go ahead and. Counselor Perez. >> Dana Perez, City of Vancouver Council member Michael, thank you for that update. Is there a timeline? And if not, can we put a timeline? >> I don't have a an expected completion date for the Elya, but we have communicated to the contracts team that this is a priority of visibility to the county council, the city councilors and the county manager and I, they're working on it as as quickly as possible. I. I would expect them to have a draft interlocal agreement in the next two weeks because they've been working on it the past two weeks, and I would expect an interlocal agreement to at least take a month to put together. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Any other questions? Okay. Thank you Michael. All right. We will move forward then to severe weather. Sunny. >> Sunny, wonder Council for the homeless. We're transitioning from heat and smoke wildfire response into shifting into cold weather response. >> Just curious if, you know, we had 1 or 2 nights of significant smoke. And I know up north in battleground, did we take any action as a result of that? >> So with that, what we did, there were a couple of pieces, one, trying to be very intentional about in communication with Corissa. So they were activated at that point that we were communicating the known locations of encampments where folks might be impacted. So there for context for everyone, there was a fire north of battleground. So a couple of weeks ago, time, I don't know how to track it anymore, but there was a fire. It didn't end up threatening any of the known encampments that we had, but it was a good practice on how do we ensure that we're tracking that on the wildfire, the mapping that Corissa was doing, as well as proactively communicating where the encampments were and where people were accessing resources, even if we didn't know where they were necessarily staying, because we do have some folks that are staying out in areas where they're not necessarily going to disclose where they are, but we know where they access resources. >> Okay, great. Thank you. Any questions? Okay. Let's go ahead and move forward. I believe that we may have brought this up last month, but we couldn't remember. So just wanted to double check and make sure everybody's aware that we have updated the, the web page for echo. And specifically, we now have an email there that folks can use to send messages to the group. So an improvement as well as we also have a link there to the CVTV link. If people wish to join and watch live. And of course, after the meeting, that link will go directly to the video on CVTV. Okay, law enforcement subcommittee updates. Do we have anybody? Yes. Go ahead. >> This is Diana Perez, City of Vancouver on the website. There was also the request to change the photo that's on the website. So if you go back to that website, there is a an individual. And this is just to respect individuals and not put any demeaning pictures of people that are suffering or having a hard time. So maybe just a picture of, of the tents outside or something, but just remove the people from the picture. I think we want to be respectful. >> Sure. Thank you for bringing that up. And we are discussing that and working on it. So we should have something up there shortly. But in governmental terms, I'm not sure what shortly means. Sometimes it takes a while, but we are working on it. Thank you for bringing that up. >> Chair. >> Yes, go ahead. Council Frontus. >> Yeah, thank you councilor. Thank you. Councilor Sieanna. Perez. This has been brought to the attention of our county manager. I've been in contact with her as councilor or chair. Young has stated, we are in the process of working on making those changes. >> Great. And do we have anybody here from the law enforcement subcommittee? >> This is Katie Favela, city of Ridgefield. >> Go ahead. >> The. Thank you. The only update I have is that the Clark County Adult Crisis Collaborative is considering adding some dedicated time to the collaborative to allow law enforcement, some brainstorming, and working with clinical and service provider agencies. So we are we did. I did send out an invite to all the local chiefs to see if they could find an officer. That would be a good fit to join those meetings. And this is not going to be a permanent solution, I don't think, but it really is going towards that action of, you know, where where is the best spot to have these meetings at. And that way all the correct people are at that table, eliminating some of the issues that we identified in the subcommittee. And that's all I have. >> Great. Thank you. And Katie, could you do me a favor real quick? I'm sure Jordan has it in his records, but when the executive committee was meeting the other day, we did not have an accurate list of who's all on the subcommittee because. So could you remind us real quickly who who is on the subcommittee? >> I believe it's myself. You, Jamie. Oh my word. >> Are you on it? >> Let me. >> This is Jamie. I'm also on it. Councilmember Stauber is on it. You are perfect. >> Thank you. Jamie. >> I've been put on every subcommittee. Okay. >> All right. All right. Thank you for that reminder. Victoria Ferrer. >> Yeah. >> Victoria might also be. But I don't know that she. This is any counselor for the homeless? I don't know if she attended. I don't that I don't remember. >> Okay. All right. Well, we'll work on it. And I know that Jordan is due back mid-month, so we will have him back next month, which we are very grateful to have him coming back soon. And we're grateful for Michelle for stepping in and doing a great job in his absence. So, okay. Jail services, monthly data. Yes. Go ahead. >> So sorry, I just checked the I went to double check and Victoria is on that subcommittee as well. Thank you. So we did capture everybody. Dale with Dale Whitley, Victoria, sunny, Jamie, you and myself and that's it. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. Let's go ahead and move forward then to jail services monthly data. And do we have Dave Schook online. We don't have anybody. Oh, jail services is not here this morning. Okay. Well, maybe we could send them an email and circle back. Okay, great. Thank you. Okay, well, let's move forward in our agenda then, and we'll turn the time over to Councilor Fuentes, who's going to give us some concepts and ideas for development of an onboarding process. >> Thank you. And good morning. Once again. Echo Wil Fuentes for the record, County Councilor. So the last couple of meetings, we've had the opportunity to discuss what we how we how Echo members envision the onboarding process for new members and potentially existing members who have not had the opportunity to really dive deeply into what an Echo member is. And so I was tasked, I volunteered, and I was tasked to put together a new member, 90 day onboarding guide. And so I want us just to kind of review what the current draft looks like, and we can work through active participation from Echo members, through feedback and any potential changes that we'd like to make or any suggestions on improving this, this process. It's a pretty straightforward process based on the conversations that we've had. As I mentioned, I think this is a really good opportunity for all of us to have a full discussion and make some suggestions on what this could potentially look like. So if we can just hang on, I'm pulling mine up here on my screen. If we can just go through it step by step, and then it please anybody who feels like they have some feedback or suggestions or recommendations, I'd be more than happy to engage. All right. Cool. So first page is pretty straightforward. It's welcome to echo allows us allows the member to share their name, who the jurisdiction organization that represented appointment date. And, and I've set this up as a 90 day onboarding process. We can certainly shorten it or extend it depending on what the echo members recommend. And if we move on over to page two, I give a brief overview about what echo is the purpose of the 90 day onboarding process, and identifying a potential echo member mentor that can work with the new member over the 90 day onboarding process. Before I move on, any questions or comments? And I think I might have mentioned it, but if I didn't remember that this is just a draft, I think we're all open to potential recommendations on how this document or this process can be improved. Right? If we scroll on over to scheduling Responsibility and Timeline, this page states that the new members are responsible for scheduling the agency and organization meeting visits listed in this guide in coordination with their Echo member. I think we all understand that oftentimes members may not have the proper connections or resources to be able to schedule their one on ones with the organizations and the agencies that have been identified and this documents. So it is the responsibility of both the mentor and the new member to work together to get that done. And I created also a timeline, as I mentioned, schedule, responsibility and timeline. It's pretty straightforward. Days one through 15. Connect with the mentor review echo materials contract all core agencies to begin scheduling day 16 through day 60, the end of the two month period. Complete most agency meetings towards end field visits and days 61 through day 90. Complete remaining visits. Debrief with mentor. Identify key observations, questions, and questions for echo. And there's like little check offs that people can check off as they're going through this process to ensure that they're staying on task. Any questions or comments about the scheduling responsibility and timeline? >> This is Destinie Council for the homeless. I see on here that it says that new members are responsible for scheduling, with the agency. Just thinking about folks with lived experience, we may want to have some buffer there as far as like someone else, like maybe with their mentor, or if they need any assistance with scheduling, there's someone that they can identify. >> Oh, absolutely. And if you continue reading under the agency and organization meeting visits, it's listed in this guide in coordination with their Echo member. >> Counselor. >> Yeah. So it has been established that, to your point, Sesame, that individuals who may not have the proper connections, they can certainly work with their mentor to get that completed. Any other questions or comments. >> Counselor Burke. Go ahead. >> Thank you. Could you go to the second the timeline? Thank you. So I was just reviewing that earlier and days one through 15. I guess I'm process wise, right. So review echo materials. I, I have never received any echo materials. Right. And so as a new member, I'm not sure from where would those materials come. And then the second on days one through 15 contact all core agencies to begin scheduling. So how will our new members know what the core agencies are and what and why would they what would they be scheduling? Right. >> Yeah, absolutely. Really good question. Council member Burke, materials for echo are on the echo website. We can work together on identifying specifically what materials would be relevant. I imagine all of them on the echo website would be relevant for the new member to utilize to get familiar with what, what, what echo is. And as I you know, on that very first page, we give a very kind of high level or second page, I should say, a high level overview of what echo is. But if we go on our website and look at some of the resources, we can go deeper into what echo means, what we've done in the past, including agenda items and other documents and resources, so we can work together on identifying specifically what those what those materials are. As far as identifying the agencies, they're listed a little bit lower below. So we'll be able to. Okay. >> So I might consider or propose linking some of those things to this form. A lot of people look, look digitally. >> Yep, absolutely. >> Thank you very much. >> Yep. >> Let's see. >> Any other questions or comments. Go ahead. >> Thank you. Will. This is a great first step. And if you're open, I'll send you some comments afterwards. But generally looking at this, I think one of the most important things is maybe including a journey mapping exercise across the 90 days. So rather than treating, for example, each agency visit as a separate exercise, we'd be good to ask the individual to follow a fictionalized service journey through the system that we have in place. For example, they could ask, what happens, you know, if I lose my house or if I'm seeking coordinated entry. And so just some prompt questions to help the individual understand that that journey, mapping, journey, journey, mapping, journey to help understand the journey mapping, I think that would be really beneficial. And, and also looking at it from what are some system frictions that they experience when they're doing that? So that's just a, you know, we're learning to, from new members that they're looking at. The other comment was building in some psychological safety throughout that. So that has to do with some trauma informed, especially if doing ride alongs or, or visiting the jail or what have you. So just adding a little bit more cushion to that. And that goes to what Sesame had said about let's, you know, we don't want an individual to go by themselves. Perhaps the mentor joins them on those those that journey, that part of the journey. >> Yeah. No, absolutely. >> And that that that's definitely, I think, an option that we can offer. And in fact, we can link some of the things that you're mentioning. Counselor Perez, as resources to this particular document. I want to ask this echo a question. Did you all receive this in an email last week? >> Yes. >> So that somebody did. The intent was for, for, for echo to receive. I sent this out last Monday. The intent was for echo to receive this a week before. So you had a chance to review it. And as we're having this conversation, it sounds like that did not happen. So I want to apologize ahead of time. I really wanted people to look at this before we we had a chance to engage in this conversation. But, but we'll we'll go through the process. Any other questions on schedule responsibility and timeline? Okay. So far, thank you so much for the feedback. Taking note. And then Council Member Deanna Perez, when you get a chance, please send me a little bit more detail on your specific suggestions. That would be greatly appreciated. >> Will do. >> Thank you. >> I see Counselor Stover's hand up as well. >> Good afternoon or good morning, Council Member Stover Vancouver. Will yeah, did it was attached to the meeting request so did have the opportunity to go through it. And I really appreciate you taking on this project because it's it's an important step kind of playing off of Council member Perez's comments. This document gave me anxiety. And in. It's long and there's lots and lots of words. And I just back to that thought of trauma informed. You know, if this can be visualized as much as possible, you know, Councilmember Perez talked about a journey map, but anywhere that that graphics can be used, more graphics and fewer words can be used to help people understand the journey, especially, you know, like I said, I live inside and the length of document was overwhelming to me. I, you know, somebody who's coming from a different lived experience made me that I think there's potential for that to be even amplified further. That being said, I went on a Google search for trauma informed onboarding and found lots of documents exactly like this, telling people how to do trauma informed. Onboarding. But I wasn't able to actually find an onboarding manual, so I I'll keep searching, but. Yeah, I appreciate the effort and I want to make sure that we're, we're producing something that that is really, truly is welcoming to a new individual. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Thank you, Councilmember Silva, for your feedback. I'm, I do have a follow up question for you. I'm kind of curious. Can you help me understand what you mean by more graphics to this document? And maybe if you can share a little bit, what caused some of your anxiety to get a better understanding how to kind of work around that? And I just, this is just a checklist. I want to make sure that everybody is aware that it's simply a checklist. It's not. I, I don't believe from my perspective, it's something that is will be utilized to work through some of the difficult challenges that somebody might be looking at other than a simple checklist. So I can, can you kind of elaborate a little bit more? >> Yeah. So. So what I'm speaking about is that there's, there's just a lot of words. There's a lot of words in small type. And there's a lot of pages. And, and a, many people are, it's easier for them to learn visually. And so just where can we, where can words be turned into pictures? In order to simplify the understanding for people. >> Thank you. That's great. >> And I will continue to search for for examples. >> Awesome. >> Thank you. >> Great. Any other questions or feedback so far up until scheduling responsibility and timeline? >> This is this is Jamie from the city of Vancouver. I actually do have a question. How did you determine which organizations people should connect with? So you've got Council for the homeless, Share Heart, VPD and the jail. I'm just trying to understand that spread. >> Yeah, yeah. >> Great question. These were organizations that were brought up in conversation the last meeting we had. And I think and I, if I remember correctly, as I talked about taking on this task, these are the organizations that I listed. Now, this is not an exhaustive list, and it certainly does not have to include the ones that have been included in this document. Remember, this is a draft, so we can update it and remove organizations that we don't believe would benefit the new member and other organizations that we believe will benefit the new member. >> I appreciate that, I was just trying to understand how you got to it so that I could then, you know, make suggestions or anything moving forward. >> Absolutely. >> And in addition, these are organizations that were that I believe there's representation in echo. These organizations have representatives in Echo. >> Sure. >> Okay. >> Any. All right. So let's move on to core orientation meetings. >> Kadee. Marvella. >> Yes, thank you. Kadee. Marvella. City of Richfield. In our last meeting, we spoke about when we have some new members onboarding and that they were going to do some, you know, different visits to different entities or agencies that we talked about doing that maybe as a group for also members who have been participating for a while who haven't done these things as well. Is that still up for discussion or on the table? >> Absolutely. Katie. Yeah. And in fact, this this document could be used for any new member, not just the two members with two lived experiences that were in the process of selecting perfect. >> That would be great. And we'll have a list of all that contact information for these new people. Right? So they're not trying. >> Oh, absolutely. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. No. Absolutely. Yeah. >> Okay. Cool. So core orientation meeting and site visits starting. >> Just a minute. Counselor Fuentes. Councilor Perez has her hand up. >> Great. Thank you. Counselor young Diana Perez, city of Vancouver. Just to piggyback on what Councilor Kadee Marvella mentioned, I think that this is a great opportunity for members of Echo to reground together and not necessarily go out as an entire echo group, but perhaps some subgroups to go out and implement this onboarding guides for any type of improvement after the first year. I think that's a poses a great opportunity for us all to, to experience this and get grounded because none of us on this echo, at least since I've been on echo in 2022, have had any type of orientation. So great opportunity for all of us to, to ground. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Council member Diana Perez. I couldn't agree more. And in fact, I think in some of the discussions we've had, a lot of folks in echo have not had the experience, for example, of visiting the jail. Right. So this is a good opportunity to connect with Director Shook and schedule some time to do that. Yes. This document can be can serve any, any one of our members, whether they've been on echo for two, three years or whether they've been on echo for a month. So and so that that is the whole point of ensuring that we have some, some, some structure that allows us to see, you know, how we can better be engaged and informed about what echo is and how echo serves the community. All right, so as we move on forward to page number three, I believe core orientation meetings and site visits. This is a list of five organizations or agencies that were brought up in discussion that I recommend that we add. However, as I mentioned earlier, we, you know, we can work collaboratively on identifying whether or not these organizations or agencies make sense for new members to engage with and add or remove. So the first one is Council for the homeless. We do have representation and echo from Council for the homeless and including CEO CSTE. And it provides a very brief overview of what Council for the homeless does. Information was extracted from their website. It also identifies a potential proposed length of a meeting with Council for the homeless. The agencies email address. Point of contact. We can identify who that point of contact would be phone number, email address, scheduled date and time, mentor attending, whether or not they will participate and engage with the new member in that visit and of course, their website. And it's the same as we go down the list. Share. Vancouver was another agency that wasn't necessarily identified the last time we talked, but I think would probably be a benefit for new members to engage with, particularly because they now have a new CEO who would I, and I know him personally, I imagine would be open to sharing what's shared, does and same process proposed length one hour. Again, that can be changed. It really depends on the individual whether or not one hour is enough, they might need a little bit more. The only time that I have visited share. It was a two hour meeting with their past CEO or executive director, and then visiting some of the sites. If you scroll down a little further, City of Vancouver Homeless Assistance and Resource team. Hard again, an overview what the orientation focus is. And in fact, all the Or organizations allow for an orientation focus. I propose up to two hours because oftentimes heart is not just about meeting with them with coffee. It's about visiting some of the sites that they support across the city of Vancouver, so that two hours could potentially include a tour before I move on. Any questions or comments so far? All right. So if we continue to scroll on, Vancouver Police Department also is one Perov overview of how VPD supports in law enforcement and the services that they provide, including how they work with our homeless population across the City of Vancouver. Proposed length is approximately two hours or maybe even longer. If there's an opportunity for a ride along with VPD. And there are some procedures. So not I, I believe, and I, I've never been on a ride along with VPD or Keesee, so for that matter. So I know that there may be some procedures like background checks. I believe that might be required, but that's something that we can work with the new member and the mentor to get that established. And if we continue scrolling, organization or agency number five is a Clark County Jail services. Our corrections center slide overview and orientation focus. Last time I visited, the only time that I had visited jail, it was a one hour tour with director David Shook. In my personal experience, it was a wonderful experience to be able to walk through the jail and identify some of the challenges that our jail is experiencing, and I think counselor member Deanna Perez has her hand up. >> Yes. Diana Perez, City of Vancouver on item number four, Vancouver Police Department. Is there any thought to maybe making it more inclusive, like or the Clark County sheriff or battleground police or. >> Absolutely. >> And I, I don't have the right answer, but it just seems like if if we don't want to just make it. Vancouver Police Department and include for at least Clark County Sheriff's Office, but I'm not sure how to how to meld that, if any others have any thoughts to that? >> Well. >> Ccso is the largest the second largest law enforcement agency in Clark County, I believe. I don't want them to compete on who's bigger or not, but I believe it is the second largest agency. The reason VPD was included, because obviously it is within the city of Vancouver, and they engage with the bulk of our homeless population. And but to your point, Council member Deanna Perez, we can add any agency we believe would be very helpful in having these conversations and a potential right along with our new members, whether it be Ccso, battleground, Washougal, etc. I believe Councilor Young Council member Kadee Faville as Erlanda. >> Yes, thank you. I agree with Councilor Diana Perez Kadee again. Kadee Faville city Richfield. Having the opportunity for some members to do multiple departments not only allows them to see those communities, but it also bridges that relationship between the echo board members and those different law enforcement agencies. So I think multiple good opportunities would come out of having a variety of departments to engage with. So, yeah, I definitely think that's a fantastic idea. >> Absolutely. Thank you. Any other questions or comments so far? >> Just a quick comment to I think it's a good idea for us to go through and list all these possibilities, but ultimately, I think it would be best left to that individual to look at these recommendations and make that decision for themselves. For instance, they may be more interested in meeting with Kcso or Camas PD or whatever it is. Then Vancouver PD, so, you know, leaving it open for them to exercise judgment on who they wish to meet with. It's important. >> Yeah. >> I agree, and it makes plenty of sense to allow the member to engage with whoever they believe best fits their needs. However, what I would kind of push back on that, and not to say that other agencies don't deal with homeless issues, but at the level that VPD does, I think that's kind of a unique experience to be able to observe, because they're constantly encountering and responding to homeless related calls. In the city of Vancouver, we do have the largest homeless population. The city of Vancouver has the largest homeless population in Clark County, and they're constantly engaging with them. So I believe that's a good opportunity to really kind of experience and observe firsthand what's happening. Whereas other agencies, although they do, I'm pretty sure they do. I don't know for a fact, engage with homeless populations, certainly not at the level that the city of Vancouver or VPD does. If we move on to, I think I mentioned Clark County. >> Go ahead. >> Yeah. Hi, this is Diana Perez, City of Vancouver. Again, item number five, the Clark County Jail services. It seems like we're really focusing on. Law enforcement within this onboarding. And I would love to include the community court in place of Clark County Jail services, because Clark County Jail Services is a completely different beast. Obviously, we went through the panel to learn the intersection of of law enforcement and jail services within the broader mission of Echo. But I, I hesitate making it like a, an item on our own onboarding when it's, it's really a smaller piece of it and would love to replace that with the community court, which is more of the, you know, the, the help, the institution that we've provided to be able to help people get, get into a better path and address some of the, those negative interactions. And anyway, so if others agree, I would love to replace that with community court. And perhaps we could table the county jail services and talk about whether it's appropriate on an onboarding or not. >> Really quick. I'm going to gently push back because I don't think that it needs to be replaced. I think that we can add community core to this list with with Clark County Jail Services. The. The intention of this tour is to learn how homeless intersects with incarceration, release planning, behavioral health, substance abuse and reentry, and discuss what services are available while individuals are in custody, how reentry referrals are made, etc. it really is up to to the membership, obviously, to determine whether or not this is fully appropriate. I again, I would gently push back and not call for a replacement, but adding community core to this list. And in fact, if you scroll down a little further, there are additional orientation visits that we can add. So this list is not exhaustive. It's not the only list of agencies or organizations that members have an opportunity. I think it's important to give them an option. We can't require people to participate in with some of these agencies or organizations, but I believe it's important to give to provide an option. >> Councilor Burke. >> Thank you. Marilyn Burke, city of Camas, I, before I joined this body, I had no idea how jail services worked for our homeless community. And I learned so much from these presentations over the last couple of months that I agree. Leave them on the list because. Many of us have not experienced, you know, unhoused, being unhoused, staying outside. And I just I think it demystifies the jail system. That's what it's done for me anyway. And so I would just advocate for leaving that on the list and certainly add, but leave that on the list as my $0.02. Thank you. >> And. Kadee. Fevella. >> Yes, thank you. Katie Fevella, City of Richfield. I am in agreement with Councilor Diana Perez, also, councilor Wil Fuentes, we don't need to take gel off, but definitely adding community court to it because not only does it put our mission into context, but we can see a different approach to accountability, and that's really important when we are talking about connecting people to services and addressing underlying barriers while still maintaining that accountability. And having both of those at the table is crucial. >> Thank you, Councilmember Fevella, and I couldn't agree more. Keeping both. I've experienced community court. My full time job has its office right next door, so I've had the opportunity to engage on a regular basis, and I hadn't thought about adding that. So this suggestion recommendation to add, I think is is a really good one. So I, I support adding community court as well. Right before we move on, any other comments or questions? Okay. And over the next couple of pages, there's just, you know, an opportunity to add additional orientation visits. As I mentioned, this list is not intended to be exhaustive. We can add remove organizations. I don't believe that we should require that people visit every single one of these agencies. It's really up to them and their comfort level. Some people might be open to visiting jail services. Some people might feel that that might be a traumatic experience, and that's completely understandable. And so I think but this the the next couple of sections does give us an opportunity to add any other agencies or organizations that we believe might be very beneficial for new members to engage with. Okay. And if we move on to the 90 day completion checklist, I guess this is a very just a simple checklist that allows individuals to ensure that they're tracking and they're, you know, they're following the, the onboarding process as they. Believe best fits their needs. And then there's a mentor debrief and new member reflection at the end of the 90 day period, the new member and mentor should meet briefly to discuss what was learned and identify topics that may warrant further discussion by Echo. And there's a suggested prompts included. One of them what parts of the local homeless response system became clear through the onboarding visits? Where did you observe strong coordination among agencies or jurisdictions? And the list goes on. I don't know that this was really necessary, but there is a space for new members, signature or date that, in my opinion, can be removed. I don't know how people feel about that, but that's certainly not a requirement. We don't you know, we don't we won't need somebody signature to determine whether or not they're officially a member of Echo. So but that brings us to the end of the onboarding process. If you scroll down to the very, very, very last page, there is there are reference sources for some of the agencies that we discussed. And I think it's open for additional discussion. Do we have time, chair? >> Yes, we have a little bit of time, but I did want to make one comment really quickly, and I and I'm not quite sure what the county has available in terms of meeting summaries, but I think for onboarding, it would be great if we could send meeting summaries out for maybe the previous year, so that they could look at some of the subjects that we've, you know, pardon for. Echo. Yeah. >> I mean, I can do the meeting summaries. I can only go back so far. I don't know, I won't have them for last year. >> Are you on Mike. No. Okay. >> I won't have them for last year because we do do them via WebEx. We don't save them. But the recordings are uploaded on the web page. So every recording is there and somebody, if they wanted to, could go and see, along with any linked documents that were of importance during the the meeting. You can view those. >> Perhaps we could keep the summaries or maybe start saving them. And the reason I'm thinking that is if you know a new member going back and looking and, you know, expecting them to go through and watch all of the videos is, is very unrealistic. But if you give them summaries of what happened in the meeting, they may see things that are in particular or particular interest to them, that they may go back then and review part that part of the video or the whole meeting or something like that. If we could, if it's what we can talk about that later. But if it's possible, that might be a good addition for, for folks. Any other questions at all? Thank you for doing this work, Councilor Fuentes, for getting us started on this. >> Thank you know, and I'll just add that and remind everybody that this is just a draft. I had taken some notes of some of the suggestions and recommendations that have been made. I don't know when we will validate the onboarding process and, and solidify, you know, how it looks. I, you know, it could be a working document, right? That it's something that's kind of changing anytime that we have new members. But I think in the meantime, there's still time for feedback recommendations. Please feel free to email me and, and then we can have this discussion one more time, maybe next month to finalize the onboarding process and, and go from there. >> Yeah. So I would ask the, the, the board at this point what their comfort level is. Would you like Counselor Fuentes to just attempt to make some changes based on the discussions that we had today and bring it back to us for final consideration in our next meeting? Everybody comfortable with that? Councilor Perez. >> This is Diana Perez, City of Vancouver. I think if we have any other suggested comments or edits that were covered today or may not have been fully covered to make sure to send them to Councilor Wil Fuentes within the next couple of weeks for incorporation. So give ourselves a deadline to send to send comments. And, and I also sorry, I also think it wouldn't hurt to have somebody who's not on echo, who strives to be on echo someday apply their lens to see if that if if the document makes sense. >> Thank you. >> Councilor Fuentes, do you have a deadline that you'd like to set for any additional insight? >> Yeah. >> Maybe two weeks from today, which is, oh, shoot, I'm going to be when's the next meeting? Is it the second Tuesday. So second Tuesday would be October 13th. Let's shoot for the 29th. That gives us about three weeks from now. And then two weeks before the next meeting. And then I'll also connect with City of Vancouver Council member Ty Stover, because I, I want to learn a little bit more of his perspective and see how we can improve this document. So it doesn't seem. So doesn't cause anxiety and it doesn't seem intimidating to potential new members. >> Great. So maybe, Michelle, would you be willing to send out an email reminder, maybe a few days before the 29th then? Great. Thank you. >> Councilor. >> Oh. >> One more one more comment. The comment that was provided to us by Council Member Ty Silver about making this also a visual application. So if there's a way we don't have to finalize the visual before we move forward. But as long as the context and the substance is, is there and clear that we can work as a next step to turn it into some type of visual as well, like an infographic or something like that. >> Thank you, Councilmember Dannen Perez. And absolutely, I will definitely need help with that. Although I am a visual learner, I learn by reading, and so I'm not really good at creating or generating graphics or anything, anything like that. So I'll definitely need support from, from this team with that. >> Great. And you know, this started about a conversation about helping the new individuals coming on the new seats that we created. For those with experience, I think this would be a beneficial process for everybody. You know, as council assignments change in their various jurisdictions and we get new people, I think this would be a great process for bringing them up to speed with the work that we have done and are doing. So thank you. Any last comments or questions before we move on? Great. All right. Let's go ahead. And then. Dave Schuck is now here from Jail Services. We'll go ahead and turn the time over to him to give us a short update on the jail enforcement or jail services monthly data. Thank you Dave. >> Yeah of course. Good morning. Sorry. I had another meeting conflict today. We created this monthly sheet just for general information. We also provide one for law and justice, which is a much larger. But this is specifically to those individuals who self-identified as being homeless. So as you can see, our numbers are about the same. What we've talked about. I know in our last meeting, we'd had a request to go back pre-COVID and get some of that data. My analyst has been off for the last half of August, like many of us with the holidays. And so we'll have that information for our next meeting for sure. So as you can see, as folks are coming and going, and again, these are the top charges when they're booked in. So it's the unlawful camping, unlawful storage events, of course, controlled substances sometimes goes with those arrests as well. And then some minor theft down below there you can see the release types. And again, a lot of pretrial, which is what we expect with those lower level of crimes or the criminal activities. Again, many of these folks are going through their initial. Trial court appearance. Right. And so that's within this first couple couple of days of their stay, the overcrowding released that 13 number that's in that number of who was released before they got to go and see a judge. And so again, as as you look at those general numbers in August, we actually had a couple of days about two weeks ago where the the booking levels, we got to yellow. I don't think we actually got the green, but we. And again, we've mostly been on red. So as, as we continue to manage that Dayley population, you can see the different things that are happening inside with these folks that are being arrested. So. And anyways, this is just that snapshot. So each month I can provide a general sheet if there's something more specific. And again, Jamie, for next meeting, I'll have that other additional information we can dig down a little deeper and a little further back to see this, this collected information. So any questions or information about that at all. >> This is Jamie from the city of Vancouver. Can can you please explain to me real quick what is what is the other column on the warrant arrest citation and other what does other mean? >> The other to me, and the way I understand it from my analysts is that they would have this charge, and then there would be some other minor charge that would be attached to their arrest that they were there for. >> Council Member Burke. >> Thank you. Marilyn Burke, city of Camas, transported. Looks like 12 people were transported. And I'm sure I don't know what that means. Transported. Where can you provide clarity? Thank you. >> Yes. Of course, as folks come into our jail, a lot of other criminal justice entities are looking for them as well. And so when they get released or they get transported means they are taken to actually a different correctional institution. So another jail somewhere else, regionally or locally. >> I'm sorry, I'm going to ask the same question, I think to Jamie just asked, but I'm still a bit unclear here. So like the top line there, 44, you know, warrant arrest 42 and two other. Can you explain that again? >> Yeah. So each of these numbers, I don't believe should equal to a total. Right. And so the top charts unlawful camping, for example, when an individual gets arrested for that, they can either be arrested as the original charge or there may be a warrant for that individual for that charge, but it's under that unlawful camping. That's that's why you may see it under the warrant, or you may see it under the actual charge itself. >> So okay, so they may be being brought in without a warrant. That's correct. But if the warrant that they have is it's only for unlawful camping. That's correct. It's not something else. And they're bringing being brought in for. Okay. That's correct. Okay. Thank you for that clarification. Any other questions? >> Yes. >> This is the. >> City of Vancouver. Just to make sure I got the data right. So there was 141 total bookings and 115 of those are people who identified as homeless, correct? >> Yes. That's correct. >> Okay. Thank you. That was it. >> 115 out of 141 bookings were folks who self-identified as homeless. >> Yeah, my understanding that at any one time. So over the month of August, we had 141 people that were booked in under these charges. >> Okay. >> That 115 is the average daily population. So at any time, every day, our average is the 115. Okay. I'm sorry. >> Okay. Well, that answers my question differently. So 141 people who identified as homeless that were booked. >> Yeah. Correct. In correctional work, when they try to figure out population stuff, people come and go at all hours of the day and time. They find out, you know, what's the average. And so one day it might be a little higher, one day it might be a little bit lower. But for the month of August we had 115. But over that time there was 114 new charges or these charges that were listed below. >> So great that that helps. And this is your first time that you just developed this form specifically for us. So if you have any comments or feedback form, I'm sure you'd be happy to. One of the things that I'm thinking of right here that might be helpful is maybe above the 141 bookings, the total bookings, and maybe percentage of the total bookings. >> You betcha. >> Yes. >> Yeah, that. >> Was my next question. >> Yeah. And maybe even the average daily population there again, it's a general number, but that might create confusion with wait a second. What's this 141 versus the 115 or whatever. But again, this is our first beta for you all to look. This is great. If there's other information that you would like to have. And again, the jail is kind of the hub of this system in the criminal law and justice system. But it's it's not the all being. Right. We're just here to share this with everybody to see what the process is happening through our system. >> Councilor Fevella. >> Yes, thank you. Katie Fevella, City of Richfield Director Sherbeck, specifically looking at the 18 to 24 year old young people that have been booked into the jail. Do we ever get information if these youth have aged out of the foster care system and are identifying homeless because of the. >> Well, this is a large conversation because my full population over there is around 500. And these individuals, like everybody else, they go through the process of being booked. And the information comes from our law enforcement partners that they are identifying them as being homeless and a check box. Our staff are asking some of those questions, but our reentry team, our jail transition team, when they when they're communicating with these folks, if within that first 72 hours, if they get out sooner than being able to have enough staff to be able to reach out to them, we may not ask those specific questions. And so again, that's not information we would be gleaning from that initial intake process because that's all about their welfare at the moment, which is are they on drugs or are they having mental health issues or are they doing some of those pre bookings events? And then of course, our medical staff will go through a much larger screening process. So I don't know, counselor, if that's actually one of the questions that might get asked during any part of the process. But and looking bill. >> The only reason why I ask, and I'm sure you're aware of this, is once a youth turns 18, obviously, they age out of the foster care system. However, there is extended foster care before their 21st birthday. And that could be maybe something that one of the case managers or people are facilitating with this young person to say, if you have aged out and you are interested, maybe we can work with your social worker on doing a voluntary placement agreement and having them go back to a foster home until they turn 21. >> Let me inquire a little bit more about the kinds of information that we're requesting from those folks, and see if that's some information that's easily added or, or added to this conversation. >> Thank you so much. I appreciate it. >> Of course. >> One more thing that I would be interested in. You don't have to answer this at this point, but if you could do a little bit of digging and see what data we might be able to get from the transition team. So like, for example, there's 142 releases. What is, what is happening with those folks? You know, are they exiting into homelessness? Are they exiting into our new landing pad? Are they exiting into, you know, a specific program in the county? Any information that they have, and they probably don't have it all, but whatever they do, I think would be helpful for us to be able to understand as well. >> Councilor young, the release types down below there, that would generally add up to the 142. However, I think there is some information, especially with the new programs and different things that are being added to the system, that we might be able to add into this. Right, which again, exonerated electronic home detention. Some of those are pretty obvious in what what's happening release on own recognizance or time served is, hey, they were here for three days and that's enough for whatever the judicial system has decided. But those going into our landing pad or those moving on into other things or questions, I think we could definitely develop with Anna and her team and that gel transition effort to see what's happening with those folks who have identified as homeless coming through the jail system. >> Sure. I think that would be really helpful. >> Of course. >> Any other thoughts or questions? >> Destinie with counsel for the homeless, it would be helpful to know how the landing pad is going. I know it opened up in August, so maybe in a few months once you know it's up and running and has some some data behind it, just knowing how things are going would be really helpful. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. Well thank you. We appreciate you developing this report. I think this is going to be very helpful for us. And I think as time moves on and we get this report more often, I think this might develop some ideas that we might have as a group on how you know, this component of the jail, how we can try to make some changes, some positive differences. With that, we will go ahead and move forward. Oh, we are we're a little bit behind, but we'll go ahead and move forward to the open vacant position and nominations. And just a quick reminder of what we did last month was we instructed everybody to send an email with their, their, their recommendations for who should be placed or who we should invite to interviews and developed a the idea that we would select three for interview. And most of you did participate. Thank you for sending in emails with your recommendations. And the three folks that have come to the top three at this point are Dustin Jones, Deborah Jones, and Lon Klugman. Deborah Brown okay, Deborah Brown, I thought that looked strange. Okay. And long. Klugman. And so at this point, we, you know, those three names have risen to the top and they need to be interviewed. I know we had one counselor that had expressed interest in being on an interviewing committee. The executive group spoke about this, and we really determined this is not a place for an open and public interview. This is a place for a much more relaxed environment interview with folks. So with that in mind, I am open to suggestions on how we would like to proceed. Do we want to just select volunteers and, you know, for who would be doing those interviews and then present that recommendation to the board as a whole, and we can ratify that, that recommendation? Is that how we would like to proceed, or does anybody have any other ideas? >> CSTE with counsel for the homeless. I thought we had identified some members that were interested in doing some interviews. >> Right. I know that we had at least one, but I'm not sure. >> Also on that, on that. >> Okay, so we have Councilor Burke with her hand. We have Sesame. Who else would like to be involved in that? I wouldn't mind being a part of that. Councilor Perez that is for for. >> It should be three. So it could be either you or I. Councilor young, I just thought one of us from the executive committee should be on there. >> And there should be three. Is. I'm not sure. Is there a reason that we should have only three or just maybe level of intimidation or. Okay. Yes. I'm happy to let you sit in on that. Councilor Perez and is there anybody else that has a desire to do that? Okay, then we'll go ahead and move forward with with the three of you then, so you can work with Michelle to work with them on scheduling. So thank you for being willing to step forward and do that. And go ahead. Michelle. >> Can I just ask, are you going to want these interviews to be conducted in person or online? That's a question. I don't know those with lived experience, if they may or may not have the availability to get online. So that would be up to the team. >> Very good question. >> This is Sonny from counsel for the homeless. I would could we offer the option to the individual? And then because I think virtual, if that's what the person prefers in person, seems great until if someone doesn't have transportation or something like that. >> Okay, sounds like we have a process. So and then you can report your recommendation back to the group next month, and we'll have a final confirming vote on that chair. Go ahead. >> Councilor Young, you are my alternate so you and I can work. If there's any scheduling issues with the interview. >> Sure. Okay, great. Thank you. That moved a little quicker than I thought it would. So at this point, we have really made our way through our agenda and we're at taking takeaways. Recommendation. Next steps in closing real quickly. Before we move into this, though, I did want to we had Abby from Community Action Advisory Board here that she requested to have just a few minutes here to give us an update, so I'll go ahead and let her do that. >> Thank you, Councilor Young, and thank you all for having me today. As Councilor Young mentioned, my name is Abby. I'm with Clark County Community Services. I came to speak with you all in January about our community needs assessment, which we do every three years to help understand the needs of people with low incomes in Clark County. And I came back to let you all know that we've finished the first step of the Community Needs assessment, which was a survey of needs. Thank you so much to everyone who helped get that survey out to the community. We actually beat the record for survey responses and received over 1700 responses this year, which is amazing. And for next steps, we will be sharing the results of the survey back with the community through a series of community forums. The flier is up on the slide there, and I believe Michelle also sent out the flier to the group maybe a few weeks ago. There's four forums happening, three are in person and one is virtual. You can see the information there on the screen. They'll all be held in October, and we would love any of your participation at these forums to provide feedback on the data that we receive through the survey, and any additional information that we should know about. The needs that you all see in your communities will be collecting qualitative data at these forums through feedback boxes and facilitated discussions, and that information will be incorporated into the final report that we share with the community. So any feedback and perspective is really valuable and appreciated. And also feel free to share this information with your constituents, your communities, and to help spread the word and get more participation. And we are encouraging registration for these forums just so we can get a general sense of numbers. And there's a QR code and link on the fliers to register for those. Does anyone have any questions? >> Great. Thank you. Abby. >> Thank you. >> So much. I would like to just bring an item up for consideration here, and that would be what we would like to have at some of future meetings. A couple things that have come to mind for me. One, just in this meeting here was I think, you know, we've talked about law enforcement and how they interact with folks outside. And then we talked about the jail. Now we're starting to have a little bit of discussion, what with what follows jail. But one of the subjects that came up today that we've not really brought in for presentation, I think was very warranted, is community court. I think we should bring them in and it would be great. I know battleground has their own community court now that they started probably about a year ago now already? I'm not sure, but it would be nice to have them as well as community court here in Vancouver to join as well. I mean, does everybody feel like that would be a good topic of conversation? >> Councilor young, this is Diana Perez, City of Vancouver. Another topic that we've talked about for some time is our youth and a better understanding that and its intersection with the mental health services and that intersection of everything else. So I know we had talked about that. That's an interest of mine, especially if we talk about the impact to our community and society as a whole. I think the youth deserve some attention. >> Sure. We have a couple of hands up before we move on, I wanted to ask you, like who you would suggest to bring in to lead that discussion, or is that going to be an echo led discussion? >> Well, we'd have to let me give it some thought. Definitely. We're not experts at it. So maybe perhaps somebody from SD 112 or Councilor Katie Favela may have some other ideas with that. >> So are any of the hands related to this particular thing? If they are, go ahead and speak up. >> Yes. Katie Favela, city of Richfield. Thank you, Councilor Diana Perez. You know, I am a licensed clinical social worker and child mental health specialist. So this is my bread and butter area. Talking about youth, I would be happy to put a list together, whether it's dcyf, whether it's youth crisis services, because youth crisis services in Clark County can go up to the age of 20. So there is some overlap there with the adult system and the youth system. I work regularly with juvenile court. So I mean, however I can be of assistance. I would love to have that conversation because there is some overlap here. Yeah. Excited about that. >> Sure. Perhaps, Katie, maybe you could join us during our next executive meeting. >> Put me in coach. Yes. Sorry. >> Yes, councilor. >> Michelle, if you could get her, that'd be great. All right. Oh, councilor Stober, was it on this particular subject? >> Yeah. Well, yes, and it would be wonderful to if Director Shook is still on the line. You know, his report is starting at 18. You know, it would be great. I don't know if it's possible, but would be great to understand. The Youth Justice Center and, you know, are there youth, any of those youth in that system that are identifying as homeless? >> So we could, you know, reach out potentially to the Children's Justice Center? Is that what you're suggesting? >> Right. Just because that's a that's a data point and that we're we're not hitting. >> Okay. >> Is that below 18? >> Okay. We can we can definitely do that. And that's something we can also work through in our next executive meeting to see how we can kind of compile all this and whether we need more than one meeting or. Yeah, we'll work through that. Thank you for that recommendation. Councilor young yes. >> For the first one that you had mentioned, community court. So I'm also the admin for the Law and Justice Council. And right now I am all of the community courts are getting ready to do presentations for January for Law and justice. So at that time, if you wanted to also bring it back to echo, we can do that as well. >> Sure. I think that would be a great idea. >> Retirement. >> Oh, okay. Okay. >> I was I was suggesting that we maybe chat about doing it earlier because Beth is retiring. Like very soon. >> How soon? >> Very soon. Yeah. >> Well. >> Right now the problem with doing it sooner is that the Clark County Community Court, they're going through a transition process. So they are people are retiring, new people are coming on. So because we wanted to do it earlier for law and justice as well. But unfortunately, because of that process, the people aren't going to be up and running really at that time to do a presentation. So the best time would be January for them. I mean, if we want to consider battleground or even the city, because I know I've spoken with Kevin McClure and his team, they can get something together and definitely reach out to battleground. I mean, we can do them separately and then do Clark County next year. But again, it's up to the executive committee as well. >> Yeah, yeah. >> And maybe I wasn't talking about all of the therapeutic courts, just the one community court. >> Maybe we might want to move our executive meeting a little bit sooner this month. We'll we'll send out emails and see if maybe the executive meeting is able to meet a little bit earlier just to I want to give organizations as much time as possible to prepare, and I wouldn't expect them in just a week to develop a presentation for us. So we'll work on that. Somebody mentioned landing pad. It would be great to have them come for presentation as well. And those are excellent ideas. As far as youth ESD 112, The Justice Center. So yeah, there's some, some good, good, good ideas. Any other ideas for future meetings? >> Sunny this will not be an ongoing topic, but I would like to provide a presentation about our Kolke Continuum of Care steering Committee has set aside three seats for elected officials, and we are. Would like to bring it to echo to identify who those folks would be. So it doesn't necessarily have to be Echo members. I do think that it would be helpful, since we're going through this effort of providing onboarding and training for folks. And just for brief context, the continuum of care is the geographic region of Clark County is our Kolke. It is required by HUD as a designated region to receive funding, and we're working together to address homelessness. The steering committee guides that effort. And as an independent Kolke. So across the Washington State, there are cocs that are guided by the state. So the state would set requirements, goals, kind of goals on what are we working to improve or what are requirements or standards for different continuums of care? So I would like to provide a presentation about our COC, the role of the steering committee, and some of the work that we'll be doing. So you have a bit more information thinking about who to nominate to those positions. >> How much time do you think you would need? >> That's probably going to be a lot, but I think 20, 25 minutes and then space for questions. >> 40. 45 minutes. And what is your timing on that? >> So we are going to be doing so. These seats are allocated for echo. We're going to be doing open recruitment this fall and building out our own onboarding process. So we just built out a governance charter to guide the work more effectively. So there are a lot of pieces coming. So the goal is to do recruitment this fall. It doesn't mean that we have to have elected officials on necessarily on boarded, but we'd love to provide the context so you can start thinking about what that looks like. So we could think about recognizing a lot of different things happening this fall, maybe the goal of the beginning of the year, having folks identified, so maybe late fall doing the presentation, if that would work. >> Okay. So anytime. >> Yeah. >> So we don't have to be this in October, maybe not even November, but maybe preferably November. >> Yeah. I think that my recommendation would be making sure that it is before the start of the new year so that we can really dig into it. The other challenge that we have. So for some of the specific funding, HUD is may issue a notice of funding opportunity and the timeline, there would be December 11th. So that would take up a lot of my time. So just within that context, recognizing that. But yeah, if we could get it before the end of the year. >> We will work on that scheduling. And thank you. Other, other ideas. Okay. Anything else at this point for oh, one, one last thing that maybe Michelle could, maybe you could do this because it's been a while. You know, we went, was it at the beginning of this year or last year that we had Nancy come and facilitate for us? Kind of do some we did some strategic planning. I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to recirculate that information to the group just to have a look at. Again, you know, when we're, we're kind of we've we have almost exhausted the one subject of the interconnection between the jail and law enforcement and homelessness. So I think it would be a good idea to look back at some of those documents to help guide us for the future. The other thing that I was saying that I think is working very well at this point is how we have a, you know, law enforcement subcommittee. You know, we we as a board, we look we have the subject, we have the hearings, we have the discussions, questions answered presentations, we learn a lot. And then we choose, you know, a special subcommittee to continue working through that subject so that it doesn't become just a hearing session. You know, I think the subcommittee is really the key to being able to giving us some legs and actually doing something. So, you know, keep that in mind as, as we have as we work through some of these subjects. Did you have a comment, Jamie? No. Okay. All right. Any other anything else for the for the good of order at this point. All right. Well thank you very much. We will. Our next meeting will be October 13th, same time at 930. Oh, one last comment before we close. I know a couple of you are here virtually because of very specific reasons, and I'm sure you all do, but I just do want to encourage whenever you can possibly to be in person. I think it does help to have a little bit more of a constructive conversation. But I appreciate you being here. And if if virtual is the only way we can get you here, happy to have that resource available so that you can be present. So. All right. Thank you, everybody. We'll see you in October. We're adjourned.